koreans have been doing this under george w. bush and barack obama. this -- >> this -- >> how do you demonstrate strength with a regime with nuclear devices? what are you going to do? strength sounds good but it's -- >> the best way to get rid of this regime, which is just pure evil, the most evil regime on earth and of the last century is going to be that china has to decide they want north korea to fall. unfortunately the increasing cold war tension between the united states and china will make china cling to north korea over more and give the regime more of an insurance policy. >> i just feel for the family of this man. >> is there any encouragement that in the statement there was something about that if released to the united states, he would speak the truth? were they showing their hand there? governor richardson? >> no. i -- this is a pattern of the north koreans. they make some of these prisoners do confessions. they did it with kenneth bay. they've done it with mr. newman. this is par for the course. they basically feel they have enormous leverage over you. and you know, you'